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KayJay
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    09/13/09 at 06:23 PMReply with quote#1

Al, thanks so much for these two podclasses. I think you elucidated the concepts involved very clearly, and I found them poignant, and holding a lot of bearing for where I stand at the moment.

Recently, I have felt myself on a plateau - I have not found found the results I have been getting lately to be comensurate with the time I have been putting in this year, and with the importance that "getting this stuff sorted" holds for me. That is, having been listening to dating and seduction audios, or watching DVDs, and having been putting in time to both day and night approaches, I cannot say that my results this year have been any better than past years. Which led me to that old adage:

If you keep doing what you have always done, you will keep getting what you have always done. 

As part of my coaching session with Andrew in last month's UCP we discussed why I felt I was still getting what I always had gotten, and what I needed to do to break out. And we set goals for me over a 30-day period, which will be reviewed at the start of October (please see below).

Where is my comfort zone?

1. In an indirect manner, trying to initiate a conversation with a woman in most environments. ie. on the street, on public transport, in a bar. 

The limitations here:
- my flake rate was remaining too high for it to be randomness on the girls' part, leading me to think that I was not being "compelling" enough;
- sometimes I could not come up with a relevant situational opener so I would either bail on the approach or come up with something really lame and ineffective.

2. Going to cocktail bars where I know everyone (and get treated extremely well), but where I am only going to encounter the same crowd that I always have.

3. Spending time with existing friends rather than actively seeking to strike up new male friendships (NB: this having been living in this city for two years now - I was at my edge when I arrived, made efforts, and managed to quickly establish a great circle of friends)

Where is my edge?

1. Near the outset of an interaction, directly and unapologetically express my sexual desire for a woman. 

I tried a direct approach in a restaurant mid-last year. I felt I sucked at it so much (ie. I viewed it as a failure) that I did not attempt it again.

2. Going to a bar or a club by myself, where I do not know anyone, and making a night of it (where oddly I feel more comfortable working the room by myself, when I am still "here with friends", even if they are in another room).

How have my goals been reactive?

I have been expecting to get a certain number of outcomes from women (ie. numbers, dates, lays), which has also involved my comparing myself with other people. These are clearly reactive, requiring a certain outcome from a woman, and not just my input.

Where certain amazing women have made a very significant impression on me I have become outcome-dependent in that one circumstance, feeling myself something of a failure if if we had one or two dates but then she never returned my calls. That is again needing a reaction from someone which is not under my control.

The 30-Day Goals and Approximation Map

Until the end of September I will be:

1. Making a sincere, direct approach of an average of one girl per day. That is, 30 girls in 30 days, so if I am too occupied to find an opportunity on one day, I can make it up the next day. The girls will be such that they would elicit a little fear. ie. attractive, age-appropriate.. the kind I would want to date or continue the interaction with (although I will forgive myself if she turns out to be too young - sometimes hard to tell these days.. ).

I am giving myself the permission to make it a "drive-by" so that I do not become outcome-dependent (eg. needing her number) or put myself in the Panic Zone.

This, I believe, is the next step in my approximation map.

2. Going on more "holidays" to do approaches, where:
- you have no excuses to not approach because you are leaving in a few hours or days anyway, and
-  wearing a "tourist hat" would see you go to any bar or club, even if you are just by yourself, because otherwise you would miss out.

PS. This far in September I am meeting the goal that was set. In making these approaches I note that even if she does not want to continue the interaction I still feel good about it, because I faced the "little fucker" in my head who was trying to come up with excuses.
 
QBall
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    09/13/09 at 10:48 PMReply with quote#2

KayJay this is fantastic, really good stuff.

As for the approximation map, the next step sounds right - and if I got it right you have been doing it? Great!

However, it's important that you trace for yourself what the following steps on the approximations map could be. One of these days when you're doing it, you will actually be comfortable (it'd surprise you when it happens) and you wouldn't feel like running away. At that point - what do you do? The next step in your map, obviously. What is it for you??

Personally I would suggest sticking out my hand into her own body space (so she has to look down to see it) and say "I'm KayJay" with a big smile...

Either way, there are probably steps after that too - assuming you want to make sweet monkey love to this hottie? What will they be?

Good stuff, keep it going!
Q


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KayJay
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    09/16/09 at 03:16 PMReply with quote#3

Thanks mate, for your comments. 

Yes, indeed, I have been meeting the goals set since I commenced with them on September 6th. I have been tracking in a spreadsheet the number of direct approaches I make in a day, how I feel about them, and whether or not I do a visualisation or confidence workout on a given day. And I am on-track to make it 30 direct-sincere compliments in 30 days.

I think the next step "leaning in to my edge" will be defined in the intent. Over the past couple of weeks I have felt that sometime my intention has been to just do a "drive-by". ie. make the compliment, get a smile, and move on. Consequently, sometimes I have probably moved on when she would have liked to continue the conversation. I would need to define it specifically in words to make it a goal, but perhaps the next step could be to make the same approaches with the intent of conversing with her a couple of minutes to see if she is interesting on top of cute? That is, whilst still giving myself permission to make it a drive-by in case I get a frosty response, or I realise she is still a minor..

The next goal might also be to increase the number of direct, sincere approaches that must be made in 30 days. I believe that if I organise my time well I should be able to spend much more time in public places, and would hence be more likely to cross paths with the amazing women I am looking for. That is, I can go out looking to just get the one direct, sincere approach that I need for this month's goals, but the medium-term goal is, of course, to cross paths with an amazing woman and be able to approach her warmly and confidently and attract her..

I would be interested to hear your opinions of these as goals to further lean towards my edge.

KJ 
KayJay
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    09/16/09 at 03:35 PMReply with quote#4

PS. The current process of the direct, sincere compliment also involves introducing myself, taking her hand, getting her name. 
QBall
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    09/19/09 at 12:48 AMReply with quote#5

Hey KayJay - that sounds like a worthy intent to add to your interactions.

But you still want some sort of measurable goal, something for you to know whether it was a good effort or not. How about talking about 2 different topics about her (e.g. music, travel or on another day: travel, hobbies) = just to push you out of your "drive-by" mode.

Good work here bro,
Q


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