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SpideySense
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    07/11/08 at 05:17 AMReply with quote#1

We’re getting somewhere good you guys. I’m so glad y’all got creative with partnering. How fun is it to watch you solve problems? VERY! : )


Moving along, we have come to the part of this UCP when we leave the shores of what you know about yourself, to set out into the waters of how women work. You’ve befriended your core beliefs in the almighty journal, which is about to go from being a cornerstone building block to becoming the sea worthy reporting register and travelogue.

You are partnering up with crew mates and have begun to set direction for your goals for this month. This ship is underway gentlemen.


In these past few days getting to know you, I've enjoyed directing the crew in the formation of this foundation, but now I want to hand you the wheel while I get ready to sing a little siren song. I am going to share with you a thing or two about women and let you in on some of our secrets. So in bikini and sunscreen at the helm of this vessel, I‘m about to tell you how it is for women, and to show you some things you may never have seen before.

And I have no doubt that you are all sooo sea-worthy

So will 26 more days be enough? No! Its NEVER enough, says she.

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Coaching nugget: Hidden treasure about women in that brief Q & A…. Women ALWAYS want more. More of one thing or another. Have you noticed that? By our nature, its hard to get us to a feeling of being completely fulfilled and satisfied. We can always find something else to adjust to suit our changing wants. Or have a little more this. Or a little different that. and on and on .. Trick is, don’t take it as you are not enough! It’s her nature, not your deficiency. Try enjoying her constant appetite!

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So!

Now we move out of port and

We begin to go out of guy-places and into women-spaces

Places that get you exactly what you need right now.

We’ve seen some maps of where you’ve been.

We’ve drafted skeleton diagrams of where you want to go.

We’ve got ship mates and purposeful ports to plunder.

We’re ready to set sail and stay the course for exploring.

And we are all totally and completely willing to acknowledge the fact that feminine sea creatures are completely uncharted territory. Right?


Ok, I’ll give you another hint about women with my next point. Paying attention?

I’m going to need your help navigating this adventure.

I need your help through your curiosity.


That’s the key I flash before you now. Curiosity. Wonder. Openness to the unknown. Watch it glisten before you. It leads to the deepest depths of where we are going.


I need your curiosity to guide me deeper, to give you the real treasure you want and need. All women need this from you guys! You'll see how and what I mean a lot more in the next few weeks as you learn more about navigating these wild open seas.

I may sound like I am speaking some bizarre female-alien-speak right now, but I know

by the end of the month you will get this point to the core of your being. You’ll be able to hear through all the feminine poetic swan song and topsy turvy waves, what is she really meaning.

For now, just knowing you are on the voyage is enough. You are enough. Breathe it in. Head up to the main deck and let the salty air in. Open your heart. There's so much to share and learn. You have within you such great power to take us deeper than we can take ourselves! Here we go! Lets learn how...


So tell me, tell all of us on your crew, what do you want to know?


Today’s assignment : Please reply to this post with your deepest questions about women. Not whole stories, unless absolutely necessary to ask the question, please.

Take a few moments, get real quiet inside, and let your questions come from a quiet and deep place. Let frantic and anxious feelings pass, and breath until you feel your deeper core, your masculine presence, your open hearted wonder.

Ask from there --- a question that can really make a difference for you.

Then, in your journal, write about some questions you have about women, noticing if they come from a high and head trippy kind of fast intellectual space, or if they come from deeper within you. Ask questions that are old, questions that are new. And lastly, answer this one of mine—why haven’t these questions been answered in your life yet?


Without your clear curiosity to guide us into the open spaces where we can't tell from south, east from west, we could get lost thinking about women. Without your truth desire to explore pulling us deeper, we could get stuck in the shallows till we’re all sick to death of it.


Set sail! Take the lead ! Captain!





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Big_Al
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    07/11/08 at 03:41 PMReply with quote#2

My deepest questions about women?  Thats a good question.

I guess I'll start with some ones on my mind and see if that will draw me into the deeper questions.

1.  Are women totally aware of their surroundings ALL the time?  Or is it something they can turn on and off?
2.  When women get angry and pissed off, what is it that they need from us?  If its our fault they're pissed, and if its not.  What would the best way be to handle that?
3.  What do women need to feel for them to be able to freely express their full range of emotion?  Is it just being OK with how they are? or is it more involved than that?
4.  When women test what place or state should we as men be in to recognize that?
5.  What does it feel like to be so sensitive to everything?  I'm talking touch, the air, people around you.


I guess thats all I can think of right now.  I'll put more up when I think of more.  Lets get this ball rolling.




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    07/11/08 at 04:15 PMReply with quote#3

How can I go really deep with women? How can I open her, how can I let her open me to deepest truth beyond the illusion?
What are the steps to get there?

Hm, Hale Dwoskin would ask: Is there anything you need to change in order to be what you already are?

Or:

In this moment, do you find a boundary between what you are and what you desire the most?

No.

Thanks for asking




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Musashi
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    07/11/08 at 04:30 PMReply with quote#4



What is the most rewarding experience a woman can have?
How much do they want to know about us, men?
What makes you happy?
When do you feel most open most relaxed and most happy to be alive?


I think my questions revolve around their happiness and my curiosity was taking over about what makes a woman really happy because I want them to be happy when around me.

Musashi



JimD
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    07/11/08 at 06:11 PMReply with quote#5

What is it I need to know to connect with you (a woman) on a deeper level?

 

What do I need to be to keep you attracted, intrigued and in love with me…?

 

What do I have to be/do to give you what you crave most…?

 

What is it a woman wants from me more than anything else…?

 

I'm sure I will think of more as I go along...

 

Jim

DeltaBravo
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    07/11/08 at 09:57 PMReply with quote#6

Scenerio: Me and a woman are friends. I get to know her and want to take it to the next level, she doesn't feel the same. Not a big deal for me but I would still genuinely like to remain friends but it ruins the friendship on her part. Happened a dozen times.

What is going on with a woman in this situation?

Not the deepest question but one I really don't understand.
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    07/12/08 at 03:15 AMReply with quote#7

It took me almost 20 minutes of looking at this blank page to come up with something that hasn't been mentioned already (thanks Al-o, Jim & Dave... not quite sure about that crazy German guy yet )

How attuned are women to the type of attention they're receiving?  For instance, if I'm waiting in line behind a gorgeous woman and trying to breathe her in & appreciate her, how does she know that I'm not just creeping on her like most guys do?

karrrri
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    07/12/08 at 05:26 AMReply with quote#8

Hi guys,

Here are my questions:

-Do women get desire for a man who's hansom like men get for a sexy girl?

-Why is sex such a big deal to women?

-Can a man show too much interest to a woman?

-Where is the button?

The two first questions come from a place of depth, because I've always wondered them.

Karri




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wrldtree
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    07/12/08 at 10:53 AMReply with quote#9

What is the most important thing that women want?
Matt
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    07/12/08 at 11:50 AMReply with quote#10

How do women Love a man versus FALL in love with a man?

How do women perceive physical touch?




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sagaciousmike
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    07/12/08 at 03:59 PMReply with quote#11

If a woman tests you, is getting angry about it a type of failure?  And if so, how and when *can* you express your anger?
John_V
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    07/13/08 at 08:46 AMReply with quote#12

  • What is the best way to become the attractive man that women find endearing: The one who does not chase women but pursues yet women find charming and magnetic (i.e. less effort and heartache, and more pleasure for both parties)?
  • How do I keep a relationship hot and passionate as time goes by?
  • What is the idea of a "woman's surrender" and being "unmoved from my core"? (Much I have an idea of it, I would like to have a better understanding for it, instead of doing hit and miss)

This would be all I could think of at the moment.


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John
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    07/13/08 at 08:09 PMReply with quote#13

Why is that some women are able to feel so much the person they are seeing yet have such a hard time acknowledging or accepting these feelings or even making their own confusion known?

Yep that's my question and I'm sticking to it


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NealTse
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    07/14/08 at 01:57 AMReply with quote#14

I grabbed myself a glass of whisky for this one. Just enough to settle my body, but not to cloud my mind (mmm Glenmorangie). The loudest question in my mind was, "Why do women gossip so goddam much?" Where I work, there are 3 men, and eight women. The men I'm fine with we just crank down and do our job. The women, ALL talk shit about each other. I really get sick of it. And I"m cool with all of them, so they all talk to me about it. She added me on myspace but then deleted me; she gets favouritism from the manager; she is useless; she gets in the way; she doesn't deserve that award, that promotion, that responsibility; she whines too much.

A lot of it is deserved, sure but so much of it doesn't need to be brought up. Why do it when all it's going to do is cause more strife? Why do girls treat each OTHER so bad? My sister just got done dealing with an old friend from highschool, I think they've just started to patch things up, but she was a bitch to my sister while pretending to be her friend, and really fucked things up by backbiting and spreading rumours, things that she's still stuck dealing with today.

If you detect anger and disgust here, then well I guess that's there -_- I wish it wasn't, but it just came up while thinking about Ami's question. It's not that I feel better then their behaviour, I guess it just puts me off a little that women use the power of words to cut each other down, and men aren't safe from that either. And I dont' feel like I can trust them to not get vindictive if we hit a rough patch. If I were to hypothosize on my fear and emotion in this; it's like in a fit of anger, a woman might destroy you just to prove a point.

Why hasn't this been answered for me yet? Because everytime I think it's just a coincidence, it crops up again. I'm not saying my own issues don't come into play here, but I've started more and more communicating from my heart, my initial instinctual reaction, rather then suppressing everythign before I can process it through a mental filter. And this is what came out.

Neal.
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    07/14/08 at 08:39 PMReply with quote#15

A lot of the attractive women I’m interested in have boyfriends.  I automatically consider them to be off limits in that case and leave them alone.  Is that the way to handle it?  When a woman is losing interest in her boyfriend, does she dump him and spend time alone or is she looking around for a replacement and sending out signals to guys who she might find interesting?  How do you handle the situation if you feel she is sending you signals?

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    07/15/08 at 01:12 PMReply with quote#16

1. I had several situations of this type: I didn't woman treat me in some way but she pushed hard. I know I just won't accept her behavior but in this case she will be offended. How to handle something like that?

2. Which type of a guy is more attracted to women:
a) guy very energetic that is having fun with everybody
b) very direct guy and sexually aggressive (in good way)
c) guy very calm who looks like he knows what he wants with with sensitive and very focused on a woman gaze (it's hard to describe, I mean sth like in "Don Juan DeMarco" movie - scene at the beginning)?

3. How to handle situation when woman is offended over a small thing and tries to avoid me? I think about situation that I said something and she misinterpreted it because she feels insecure about something, but only she could think about it in that way.

4. (This one is funny) What women think about younger guys that are picking them up? Do they treat those guys seriously? Let's consider situation that she's with her friends.

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    07/15/08 at 07:08 PMReply with quote#17


Why are women so indirect?  Why do they say that they are busy instead of "I don't want to date you?"
Why are they so damned fickle?  Their wants seem to change with the wind.

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    07/16/08 at 07:40 PMReply with quote#18

So many times a nascent relationship has petered out because I find myself doing all the work - she seldom returns communications and never takes the initiative.  Me, I take this as a sign of disinterest, and stop calling.  Then I'll run into her later and she'll say something like "Why didn't you call/text/email?  I was really hoping we could hang out."

My question: why, if women are interested, do they not show it?  Are they playing hard to get and taking it too far, or a misguided attempt to play by The Rules?  It's so much sexier to me when a woman lets me know she's interested, and plays back at you. 

Otherwise it's like that one martial arts exercise where you try to push the old guy over and he offers no resistance, so you fall forward off balance and then he whacks you in the ass with his cane and makes you do it all over again.  Man, I hate that game.

Peace out,
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    07/18/08 at 04:03 PMReply with quote#19

1)  Ami, since you understand attraction better than most women, do you still find yourself attracted to badboys and men that your logical brain knows are not good for you?

2)  Where do cute, single girls hang out during the day? 

3)  I have a great relationship now, but no matter how much I tried to believe in a paradigm of abundance in the past, it seems that beautiful, amazing, smart women are rarely single.  It seems the best way to handle this is to continue getting to know her as if she was single and let her make the decision.  I have done this in the past.  She broke up with her boyfriend for me briefly.  He would not let go, however and she still had feelings for him.  The result were threatening phone calls, a lot of drama, and negative energy.  She even still saw him behind my back.  In the end she went back to him. 

Breaking up a couple just seems to be a lose-lose situation and not a positive way to live life.  So it seems that if you want a truly amazing woman, the only thing you can do is to wait til fate brings you 2 together when you are both single.  Any thoughts?



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    07/19/08 at 12:51 AMReply with quote#20

I'm going to chime in to this long list of questions to remind y'all of this list and its intent, as we are going to come back to it later. Please don't forget, when you write your questions include

Quote:
why haven’t these questions been answered in your life yet?


Depending on how you answer this part, some of your things will be answered in podcasts and interviews, others directly, and others in the daily notes, and others, we may just play with a little bit more. k?

xo
ami



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    07/31/08 at 05:16 PMReply with quote#21

1. I often here that looks don't matter and that a man can still have beautiful women attracted to him even if he is out of shape and not that handsome as long as he has other things going for him. Is that true?

2. When I meet women from other countries (i.e. Czech Republic, Poland, Peru, Germany, Thailand, China and parts of the US like California) they seem a lot more outgoing, warmer and and they appreciate it when I'm direct with them. When I meet women from Britain (where I have being most of my life) I feel that there are more layers I have to get through in order to get to their real personality and that I have to be more indirect. Do I perceive women this way because of my belief system or is it the reality that many women from countries other then the UK feel much more freedom to be outgoing and direct?

3. If a woman is approached in a place like a cafe, bookstore or public transport is there a part of her that feels worried that the guy might be a stalker or might be a bit crazy?

Why haven't there questions been answered in your life yet?

1. I haven't asked. I'm sure there are plenty of good female friends I can ask in conversation the next time I meet them. i.e. Are looks important? Do women feel comfortable been approached in cafes etc.

2. They kind of have but I'm not trusting my own instinct and experience. e.g. I once met a woman in a CD shop. I'm sure she felt a little weird as it was a new experience but the positive things that happened between us later would never have happened if she thought I was a stalker or a freak. Another example. Foreign women seem more outgoing to to me so maybe I should just trust that for now. I'm in London which is a great place to test that out anyway. :-)

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    07/31/08 at 06:41 PMReply with quote#22

OMG, my idea was not to respond to these because I have something else in mind, but you know what, for some reason, I want to answer this one:

Edwin asks: 
Quote:
3. If a woman is approached in a place like a cafe, bookstore or public transport is there a part of her that feels worried that the guy might be a stalker or might be a bit crazy?


Yes. And online. And in clubs. And everywhere.

Guess what?

While all you beautiful shy types may be hanging back, getting courage to approach, a lot of us are are often approached by men who do seem to fit the description you gave above!

Its scary being a woman with any kind of "open" energy that invites guys to approach, or any level of attractiveness. There are a lot of folks in this global village of ours. While I want to be open minded about all, there are definitely good reasons to have boundaries, and even walls at times. Sometimes that is really what it means to be open, to start by being open to our own self preservation.




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SpideySense
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    08/04/08 at 01:58 AMReply with quote#23

The real idea to respond to these beautiful questions is in days 25 26 & 27. Come back, and forth, and back and forth, til it makes some sense. It was designed this way. Life's a fine treasure hunt, and I know you're the guy for the job, whether you have a map or not...

so check out the days at the end of the month on curiosity, and

then

(drum roll)

action jackson!!

Get to it!
Risk = reward.

Put it out there, and check it out.

What's at stake? Your fulfillment. Your prize. You.

Start today.

Its all yours.

An adventure to explore. A battle to fight and win, and ultimately a beauty to reveal, to claim.

Go!


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ledAstray
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    07/12/09 at 12:10 PMReply with quote#24

Not sure anybody reads this anymore, but it's supposed to help ME not you if i got that right. Anyway.

1.) Why would you indicate interest in making plans for the future (introducing to friends, going for coffee, etc.) if you aren't actually (sure you are) interested?

2.) Would you flirt with a guy on the street etc. if you were interested in him? If not, why?

3.) Do you want me to do what I want, all the time, instead of asking you or offering you something? E.g. when I'm new to a town, should I just decide to go to a random bar instead of asking what you recommended?

I guess that's about it so far.

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